SOULJOURNS - AMMA SRI KARUNAMAYI - 2ND INTERVIEW - 2010 - AN INDIAN SAINT (AN AVATAR) OF BOUNDLESS LOVE AND COMPASSION...
Amma speaks a lot about Sai Baba here and how Sai Baba held her in His arms as an infant, when Baba visited the family home.
To see the Amma video interview, click here: http://vimeo.com/24279882
By Ted Henry and Jody Cleary [opening video: Music playing. Mary Fran and Jody softly speak with Amma]
Amma: “All the people out there are so Divine, so Divine. Yesterday I spoke with all the people, how Divine. I know, they are I know, I know all the people; nobody ever speaks untruth in front of your Mother…. “ [Amma hugs Jody and takes Mary Fran’s hand] “ So….
Look at the sweetness of my angels“ Amma hugs Mary Fran. Mary Fran: Thank you so much Amma Amma: My mission is; just bring happiness to everybody. No expectations from this world. I’m not expecting anything from anybody. Just I want to give my love to all my people. I love this world so much. Amma: Mother Earth is unhappy. The oil spilling is not the man made disaster at all. It is the Mother unhappiness.
We have to love our Mother Earth. Amma: The main aim of the human life is to attain Truth. So there are some people who already attained that. So they are enjoying the Truth. They are like spectators in the world. They are not participating in any of these things. They are just like witnessing all these things.
Ted: How would we identify them, would they have any judgments?
Amma: Son, they are detached to everything. Not emotional. Ted: No anger? Amma: No anger. No trace of anger in their life. So that is salvation. Salvation means; liberation!
Ted: No desires?
Amma: No desires. No desires.
Ted: What can you say that can be useful to people who are doubters, agnostics or atheists?
Amma: This is also beautiful question. The thing is: we have to open our hearts more. When we open our hearts, things will change. Amma: No need to go anywhere in the world, you will feel God’s presence within your heart. Once you are able to feel God’s presence in your heart, you are able to feel God’s presence everywhere.
Ted Henry: Welcome to Souljourns! This interview with Amma Sri Karunamayi was recorded in June of 2010 in Cleveland Ohio. This is the second Souljourns interview with Amma. [music in background] [ Interview begins in full ] Ted: Amma Sri Karunamayi, thank you so much for coming to this our Cleveland. Welcome to our city again. Amma: Thank you so much Ted: You see we have a sunny warm day for you. We like very much when you come to Grace us with your Presence. Why do you choose to come to Cleveland? Amma: Total world is, according to the Sanathana Dharma a beautiful one home. So I am in my beautiful home, from one room to other room, I’m here in Cleveland. Ted: Do you feel equally at home here as you do in your ashram in India? Amma: Yes, yes. Absolutely.
Ted: Do you find people here, even though we are in a different culture, many people come from different religions……
Amma: It doesn’t matter whatever the religions they may be. Everybody is praying, going towards Almighty only. So that is why there is no friction at all.
Ted: You said something the other night that was a very powerful comment about the pain in the world today. Correct me if I am wrong, but I think I heard you say that there are women dying every several seconds because of hunger, because of starvation. What can we do? I know we’re helpless to feed everyone who is dying. But what can we do for those souls that are leaving their bodies because of starvation?
Amma: Really, I am very very sorry about this. The United States is a very wealthiest country. But when you see the data base of people, lot of people are suffering. So much poverty in our country. Sixteen years or more. I was traveling in United States, I spoke with thousands of people personally. I love them so much. A lot of people are in their afternoon lunches just only, not even a sandwich. Just a small little bread., and they have no money to buy a coffee also they told me. I was so sad to listen to the pathetic stories directly from people. Not from one, not from a hundred. Thousands of stories. Pathetic stories. Very pathetic stories, including with the children, suffering so much, so much. When we see agriculture fail, a lot of women they [are] supporting even agriculture in our country. All over the world also. And coming to the women, every three seconds one woman is dying of starvation. It is very pathetic and we are very sorry for this. So how to bring all the people of this world to support them? All of us can work on this. This is our duty. To support our children, our women, our family members. In my feeling, total world is one family. There is no second thought in my heart, is one family. So all the continents are one and one rooms in this family. We have to love each other, we have to support each other. We have to honor everyone’s faith also. So coming to the starvation and dying of the women. So you can see the data base of the world hungry problems and also how many people are suffering exclusively in the United States, suffering with poverty, below poverty level. Millions of people are suffering.. People are never going to imagine that. But this is true. We have to work hard. We have to bring more harmony, wealth to our people. We need understanding and supporting of our people for jobs and for education. And also supporting the women is very essential right now.
Ted: Amma, there seems to be political solutions people could work for, and spiritual solutions people could work for. In this later category, which is more effective, to pray for those who are suffering, the women who are dying of starvation or people living below poverty, or to send them love? There’s a difference, and some people say “just send them love”. What would you suggest we do?
Amma: My expectation is; we have to mix both. We have to mix the both. Like political support and also spiritual support. Moral support. And all the people also can support everybody. Not only the responsibility of the political, not only the responsibility of the spirituality, we have to blend both together with a lot of love and responsibility and duty. We have to support all these problems.
Ted: I’d like to ask you a spiritual question about a problem that looks like it’s a man made problem. But I heard you say the other night that it’s not a man made problem. We’re in America, June of 2010, everybody is aware of the gulf oil spill. It’s a catastrophe. You surprised me the other night when you described it not as a man made problem , but a problem with nature, Mother Nature. Could you talk about that from a spiritual point of view?
Amma: When we see the gulf oil spills from the oil well it is so sad. Very sad. In our twenty first century the most bad disaster happen. A lot of people are speaking about this, this man made disaster. But in my heart it is not man made disaster. Before also, they put a lot of oil wells around the world for oil.
They are doing all these years, all these times. But this time, unfortunately it was happen like that. I think it is not man made disaster at all. It is like a…like Mother Earth is so unhappy. Mother Earth is….we have to honor Mother Earth. We have to honor water. We have to honor all the trees, …Nature. When we see that for each and very hour we are using more than 2.5 million of the plastic bottles…just for one hour. Imagine for twenty four hours how many bottles we are using. Imagine how much, calculate how much plastic bottles we are using for one year. Like this on all the continents and countries. These plastic bottles are never going to merge with Mother Earth. And sometimes we put all the ,um like, you know the computers, we put, we dump in the oceans. So we are so mercilessly using our Mother Earth. Mother Earth is giving, giving, giving. All the sources we are using mercilessly like anything.
Today, Mother Earth, is, she is not able to give anything. She remains with empty hands. So we are digging the wells. Like so many wells. Like a lot of mines, mining all over the world. We never dig the mines in the proper way. So these kind of things we are doing in the entire world. Mother Earth is so unhappy with our merciless heart. So that is why, Mother Earth is unhappy. The oil spilling is not the man made disaster at all. It is Mother unhappiness. We have to love our Mother Earth. Make Mother Earth happy.
Give her respect towards water, trees, animals, birds. Women, children, men, everybody. The entire creation comes from God. When we honor this creation, God is happy. Mother Earth is happy. So we are part and parcel of this creation, everybody. So they have to honor each other. Now, we lost our human touch, unfortunately. We miss our human touch. We need to cultivate again the affection between heart to heart. The golden link between heart to heart. We have to love each other. We have to honor each other. We have to live peacefully on this Mother Earth. We must not run, run, run only for money’s sake. We have to run for human values and Inner values sake.
That is so beautiful for mankind. So it doesn’t matter what we believe, what religion, what faith we are going towards. But everyone is going towards Almighty One. To Peace only. So that is why, when we love each other, when we understand each other, harmony and love remains in the society. We will help each other, then peace comes in the society; these kinds of disasters are never going to happen. However people are working on that. It is so hard for them. Technology today it is so great. But, however they are working, they are not able to do that because this is not the human disaster. It is unbelievable unhappiness in Mother’s heart. We have to make Mother happy. To live in this world with harmoniously and with understanding hearts. And helping each other, that is very essential for all of the people in the world.
Ted: It’s my impression that there are still many people in this world today who think of Earth as an inanimate object. Sometimes they use a cliché and refer to this planet as Mother Earth. But you are recommending for all of us to believe in Mother Earth as a living being, aren’t you? Amma: Yes, there is life in the Panchabhuta. There is life in the water, there is life in the air, there is life in the fire, There is life in Mother Earth. So that is why we call, not just earth, ‘Mother Earth’ Just not earth, she is giving so much to us. Giving so much, all the food, all grains, flowers, what all the things we are using everything comes from Mother only, her lap only.