SOULJOURNS - AMMA SRI KARUNAMAYI, PART IV - AMMA'S MOST COMPELLING SOULJOURNS INTERVIEW YET, ABOUT LOVE, OMNISCIENCE, SAI BABA

Written by Ted Henry and Jody Cleary on . Posted in Transcriptions

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Amma Sri Karunamayi 
Interview IV  by Ted Henry May 2012
 
HEADLINES

Ted:    What can we do that will most please Amma?
 
Amma: [She laughs and giggles and smiles] No expectations from this world.  I just want to give my love to all of you.  No expectations, no expectations from this world.  Just I want to give to you.  Love!
 
Amma: Whenever the need, God havel come, you must not wait for two thousand years, five thousand years.  Cause suppose you are hungry, I can’t wait until the evening, six o’clock.  You need food!  I have to give you food right now!  So it is my home.  When ever I need, I come.
 
Mary: Yes, that makes so much sense, it does.
 
Amma:  God is not restricted to time. Time is ours.. 

Jody: We are one body.
 
 Amma:    There Is a lesson from the Divine, each and every step is a lesson in life. So it is a Divine play Ted Son.
 
Ted: We don't have a clue what you are, what Sai Baba is.  Can you give us a little clue?

Amma: (Laughter)  It is a puzzle.  I can give some thing for you.  It is an ongoing puzzle, billions of lifetimes puzzle.

Ted: Unknown puzzle?

Amma:  Yes. So that is why if you go inside, inside, inside with your   insight,  then once you touch that infinite within yourself,  then you are able to find Me, Baba.  We are all pervading everything, what not.  Time, beyond space, beyond anything.  It’s a Benediction. Absolute, Infinite.  And All Witnessing.  All Knowing.  All seeing, [smiles]  So, that’s it!
 

Ted: Having to do with   the mother of Jesus, Mary.  Is Mary, was Mary an Avatar?
 
Amma:   Yes, she is Divine Mother.        ….. Myself.
 
Ted: You’re the Divine Mother!
 
Ted:  …Are you Mary?
 
Amma: Yes.
 
Amma: [Amma has turned her head to Jody who has been listening at her feet off camera]  Jody…
 
Jody: Oh Amma! [ Amma has her hand]
 
Amma: That was your question….I did give clarification to your question.   [Amma hold’s Jody’s hand as she beams love to her. Jody, overwhelmed “Oh Amma” Then Amma pulls Jody to her for  warm embraces. Jody is overcome., answering; “yes, you did, thank you”.] You hear the voice of Amma singing in Telugu in the back ground
 
 
INTERVIEW
 
Ted:  Welcome to Souljourns, and to Part Four of Amma Sri Karunymaya.  Recorded in the United States in May of 2012.
 
Amma: [Sings in Telugu]
Shantamu nee swarupammu, (Peace is your form)
(repeat)
Prashaantammu nee nilayammu, (Eternal peace is your home)
(Repeat)
Neeku gala shantamu krodhamuga maarinan, (If your peace were to turn into anger)
(repeat)
Bhaanudu somudu daari tappune, (The Sun and the Moon will be lost (in their role and goal))
(repeat)
Chintala saagune jagamau, (All creation will be submerged in miseries)
(Repeat)
triloka paavini, Sai jananeem  (O divine mother, mother of Sai)
Shantamu nee swarupammu,  (Peace is your form)
Prashaantammu nee nilayammu, (Eternal peace is your home)
 
Ted:  Good Morning Amma!
 
Amma: Good morning Sweet Son.
 
Ted:  Thank you for this opportunity.  You are referred to around the world as Her Holiness Amma Sri Karunamayi.  (and) In that vein, I would like to begin this interview by reminding you that every time we visit with you, you bring us a new message from You for the world.  What is Your new message for the world today?
 
Amma: We have to love each other. We have to serve each other. We live in the world with harmonious love and unity.  And that is my expectation towards this world.  I came to that purpose towards all of you.
 
Ted:   That is beautiful.   As always Jody and I bring a few friends. (and) Of course Bob and Mary Ann we would not be here without their inviting you to our great city.  And of course our friend Mary Sobczak is joining us too. (and)  So I have questions from all of them if that is okay?  IMG 0402
 
Amma:  You are welcome. [to ask]
 
Ted:   The first one is  a subject I am always interested in,   the subject of maya. The illusion, the drama, the play of life,  The question is, why must there be maya?   Why must we live in    illusion?
 
Amma: [ Amma chuckles ] You are asking this question  Ted Son;  Maha Maya Itself!  Herself!
 
Ted:  Really??
 
Amma: You are asking the question;  Maha Maya Herself! [ full   laughter from Amma now]
 
Ted:  Well see, it’s a common question.  A lot of people want   to  know why must we put up with this  play and not get to the main event, our own self realization?
 
Amma: Maya is nothing but  the “I-ness”  only.    I-ness is maya, “me-ness” is maya.  So this is a little circle. Very little circle. When you come out of the I-ness and me-ness   your circle is boundless.   All living beings are nothing but your  supreme Self only. So maya  makes peoples hearts so limited. Only towards body level. That’s, that’s maya.
 
Ted:  (and) It’s purpose? What is it’s purpose? Why does that do that   to us?   [Amma laughs]  Why can’t we skip it?
 
Amma: [giggles, then serious] You need for any school…..suppose a student is getting his education in a  school.  Suppose the student is at graduation time. They need examination.  With out examination  who is going to school?  No? [giggles]
 
Ted:  So the maya becomes our school room?
 
Amma:   Yes. Yes
 
Ted:   And we need to learn the lesson…to progress?
 
Amma: Yes.  Yes. You have know to discrete what is good and what   is  not good. So if you have the perfect pure heart then you know what is good and what not to do.  So maya is a beautiful great essential thing in the life to know the great things of the Absolute Divinity.
 
Ted:  That’s very helpful because it is so confusing and so disappointing when people start to understand better the purpose of maya. The existence of maya!  It’s very hard to tell somebody who’s is not a believer, or not very religious or on a spiritual path that this is all an illusion.  I get  into trouble all the time by trying to describe it.  And I don’t have the  ability to describe it well enough, but I think you just helped us a lot by describing it as a school that we have to go through.
 
Amma:  Yes [laughs, then explains] Maya is caused by the I-ness. When people are just without much maturity they limit them selves in the I-ness, then it is like closing the door, sitting in a room and they want to see the sun outside! How can you see the sun outside when you  sit inside the room and  closing the doors?  When you open the doors, come outside, you are able to experience the absolute truth everywhere.  So that is why maya makes limitation. Certain limitations are created by the I-ness of the maya.
 
Ted:  Thank you. That’s the best explanation I think I have ever heard and it is very helpful.  You began by telling us about your important lesson for the world  is pretty much your constant lesson for the world which is to learn to live from love. (and) The next question is if our primary purpose in this world is to love, then what is our secondary purpose?  What’s the next thing we should do?
 
Amma:  Service.
 
Ted:  Service!? And how do you define service?
 
Amma: The essence of life is love, The action of love is service
 
Ted:   And can we do service with physical action, such as helping the poor, helping those who don’t have houses to live in? And can we also do it with our minds by sending love, by praying for people, by sharing our energy with people? Is that also a way of service?
 
Amma:  Yes. In your question itself all the answers are there. Too, sending prayers we can do the seva. And building houses for needy people and doing service activity for the hospital activities, educational services.  There are so many things people can do! A lot of need in the world! So that’s why “Love and Service”.  That’s Baba’s message. Everyone help and follow that, Amma’s aim is also just love and service only.   
 
Ted:    So you mention Sai Baba. And you mention Amma’s “Love and Service”.     I’m thinking sometimes of those people who might be to frail or too old to pitch in and help build the schools that you  have in your mission and in your humanitarian projects. Or the village houses  for the tribal people who are helped so much with the good water projects that you have.  Can they also feel comfortable serving with their mind if they can’t serve with their body?
 
Amma: Yes.  Yes.   They are very comfortable to serve other people also.  They have elevated so much by experiencing love from us .  And they have opened their hearts a lot, and they also want to do service to other people also.
 
Ted:  A question that is intriguing to a lot of us who try to be good students in this school of maya, on the spiritual path is: Are there many people in the world today in the “Bliss” of self realization? I know it’s the  goal, but are there many who have already reached that goal?
 
Amma: Because of the blessing of Baba, Jody and Ted Son are in the Bliss.
 
Ted:   Well thanks for telling us !
 
Amma: As are Bob and Mary Anne.  Everybody is in Bliss who ever believed in Baba, they are   in the Bliss.  They are in Bliss!
 
Ted:  Say more about this!
 
Amma: Yes.  Love gives you Bliss. The Pure Love   gives you Bliss. In the Love you are totally surrendered to the Almighty.  Baba Almighty. You are surrendered to Baba.  So what else do you need?  A surrendered soul get everything without any expectation.   Baba’s blessing hand is all the  time with you.  So no need to ask (for) anything you need.  I need this, I need that.  No need to ask anything.  All the time Baba is enveloping all of you.    So that is why you are in Bliss.  You and  millions of disciples of Baba all over the world,  they’re in Blissful state. [smiles, eyes twinkle]
 
Ted:  I don’t think I have heard it expressed that way before. That  is a beautiful gift to all of us who are groping in the absence of Baba’s  physical form to find Bliss, and you are telling us we already have it. So thank you for that gift.  You and Sai Baba often say that we are not “The   Doer”. Very hard for those in the west to accept that concept. [Amma giggles]   First of all this is not an easy understanding for us, most of us, because we feel like we are “the doer”! How much control do we really have in our lives?
 
Amma:  This is really innocence.  Innocence.  Human plannings  are different. Divine plan is different. Divine Plan. If you are building the Divine Plan, then you know the play of Divine.  The play of the Divine is  different, human plans are different.
 
Ted:  So it is a matter of…
 
Amma:  However you are planning, your plans are not at all  materialized, I am sure about that!
 
Ted:  We are learning that….yes…[both chuckle] We learn that day   after day. So, it’s a shift in our awareness from what we think of as our   human self with our human agenda, to our spiritual self. And in the human self  we think we are in control, but the reality is that we are not in   control.  Is that the correct understanding of what you are saying?
 
Amma: Even that is also Baba’s will. If Baba will it, anything is happen. If you will it, it is never going to happen.  [smiles with soft laugh]
 
Ted:   Even though sometimes we kid ourselves and think that it does happen? …and that…
 
Amma:  That also is Divine Will.
 
Ted:  That is also Divine Will?
 
Amma: Divine will.
 
Ted:  To continue with the illusion that we are in control sometimes?  
 
Amma:   Anything happens, even a small movement of an ant,  put  the leg next step: is the will of Divine.  It is not the will of the any creation, anybody‘s. It is only the will of the Divinity.  Believe it or not -- this is true.
 
Ted:  So this a very important point because many of us takes…..It’s very difficult to understand.  If what you just said, if what I am  hearing correctly is that : every step we take is because of the Divine will?
 
Amma: Yes.
 
Ted:  Even when we take a misstep and fall down and hurt ourselves?
 
Amma: Yes, that is also Divine will.
 
Ted:  Even if we hurt another person?!
 
Amma:  That also is Divine will.
 
Ted:  Even if they hurt us?
 
Amma: That is also Divine will.
 
Ted:  Even if we hurt ourselves?
 
Amma:  Learning. Learning lessons! Baba teaching you through somebody the lessons. And when you are watch yourself, how    ignorantly we are doing the actions, how innocently you are doing the actions. Hurting people, that’s also, that’s a lesson from the Divine. Each and every step is a lesson of life.  So if people have the awareness of spirituality, they realize everything is God doing all of  these things through you.  So it is a Divine play Ted Son.
 
Ted:  That is very helpful. (and) I am going to follow up on a point  you made a year ago. That I wasn’t planning on it until now because I’ve heard you make repeated references to our beloved Baba. When you reminded us that  Baba came to you, to your home, held you in His arms when you were an  infant.
 
Amma:  [giggles]
 
Ted:  Is that because your parents had an interest in Baba way back then?
 
Amma: They have a lot of interest in spirituality and Baba also.
 
Ted:  Really?
 
Amma:  Yah very  … really!
 
Ted:  Were they, You were too young to remember but when you were growing older do you remember hearing stories from your parents of that visit?
 
Amma: Ah, Ted Son, Amma is younger in the body only, but not younger in the Self.
 
Ted:  Shame on me! Of course! So you were fully aware?
 
Amma: Yes.  Yes.  They are elder in the body but younger in the Self. But I am very younger in the body but elderly …. than anyone in the  world.
 
Ted:  Oh. That’s’ well…that’s old! [ laughter in the room]
 
Amma: Hard to digest, no? [Amma is focused on Ted,  smiles and nods]
 
 Ted:  Yes, it’s impossible to digest. And while we are on this   subject, a little bit about your parents.  Can you describe them?    Were they loving parents?  Were they considerate?  Were they good  to others?
 
Amma: They are very very  good and very Divine people.    Very Divine.  So that’s why I chose them.  Very divine, they’re very beautiful souls.  Helping lot of people, doing service activities. . And  they dedicated total life only for Divine sake.  So that’s why. They never sit in front of me on the chair. All the time they are sitting next to  my feet. 
 
Ted:   Next to Your feet?
 
Amma: Yeah. [Soft chuckle and smiles]
 
Ted:   Well, and since we are talking about this one more question if you will indulge us a little bit.  (because) I had a basic general  understanding of the mission ,  the love of Ramana Maharshi until this past year when ,we, Jody and I ,started reading many books by a wonderful  author Paul Brunton on the life of Ramana Maharshi. (and) Of course I have a vivid picture in my mind that will stay there forever of your beloved Mother at the feet of Ramana Maharshi.  And, and I’m wondering do you have any idea what drew her to his side?  Where he was the informant to tell her that she was about to have an Avatar for a daughter?
 
Amma: My biological mother , Annapurnamma, she’s  a very special soul. Innumerable lifetimes she did a lot of sadhanas,  meditations like that. So she was a great great great soul, No doubt at all.   Very Divine.  And she was with Ramana Marharshi in his ashram.  She had been to so many times around the parikrama (circumambulation) of the Tiravanamalai  mountain.  The Arunachula mountain.  Especially in the night times.  After ten o’clock, some of the group of people decide they are  going around,  walk around the guru pradakshina.  They did  that.  And she loved Ramana Maharshi so much because she loved silence so much.  All the time..
 
Ted:   And he did not speak very much?
 
Amma: [shakes head yes] Yeah, he doesn’t speak anything.  She  was there, so many years there.   She was young at the time.  And she loved to be there for her entire life.  Then Ramana Maharshi   explained to her: no, you have to go back to home, you have a lot of activity.   Karma is there in front of you .
 
Ted:  I see…
 
Amma: Because Divine people are able to see the front of the life, what is going to happen to you.  That’s the reason he sent her back.  To again into the life.
 
Ted:  So her first love was Ramana Maharshi but he was a good teacher saying; “Go and serve the world, go and serve your family”?
 
Amma: Yes, yes
 
Ted:  “Go and do your duty” !
 
Amma: Yes, yes, all the time she was inside,  most inside.  With the Insight..  So that’s why she never been anywhere.   All the time she was meditating. …..Yes
 
Ted:  And did she recognize how incredibly special you were from the moment she gave birth to you?
 
Amma: Yes, she recognized. [smiles]
 
Ted:  Awe. …. That is beautiful. [Amma smiles and lightly laughs]   That’s a wonderful story.
 
Amma: What they did is, both the parents did namscara to the feet of  the little baby.
 
Ted:  When you were an infant…
 
Amma: Yeah. [Amma smiles] 
 
Ted:  What a sight! I wish we would have had video of that!  And I can’t tell you how much we continue to learn. (and) It prompts me to ask one other question.  For example those people who go to India today, lets say they are devotees of Sai Baba or let’s say they have read a lot about the Swami of Arunachala , Ramana Maharshi.  Is it useful, are there any boons, is it anything that profits them to go and walk around the mountain of Arunachala today. Or to go visit the Mahasamadhi of Baba in Prasanthi Nilayam   today?
 
Amma: They have go to Aranachala, they have  go to Baba.    They are all pervading..  Actually all of you no need to go there.    Baba will come to you. 
 
Ted:  But sometimes we want to go there.
 
Amma: Okay, you have to go! [laughs] [Amma later explains that it is the love of God that make us want to go to these places]
 
Ted:  [laughs]  A question I think from Mary Anne: You spent twelve years in the woods in Andhra Pradesh.    Beautiful Andhra  Pradesh, rich with lots of water and woods and streams and wild animals   without interacting with others.   She asks a very interesting question:  How did you eat if you meditated all day?
 
Amma:  No food at that time.
 
Ted:   No food! [Amma shakes her head no] And do you want to explain to us how that happened? And how you were able to do that?  We know, but I’d  like to hear it in your own words.
 
Amma: Yes, the Divine, there is some nectar in the brain system that  is oozing.
 
Ted:   Oozing nectar in the brain system? [Amma nods yes]
 
Amma: So no need of eat.  And right now also I eat very very   less.  Very less. You can’t believe that.  So very less food. One time , like that, not too much food.  So no necessity of eating all the time foods and all the things. Spiritual body is Divine, so this is a different body, the Cosmic Body is different.
 
Ted:    So if we intend to meditate for longer than twenty minutes a day by going to the woods to live as hermits, we might require food.   In addition to our sadhana, we may require sleep and food and water unlike yourself?
 
Amma: [twinkle in eye, laughing] Ted Son, no need to go to woods I think. 
 
[laughter]
 
Ted:  THANK YOU! 
 
Amma:  The world  need you. A lot of people need to listen your talks..  [laughs] No need to go to woods.  [more laughter]
 
Ted:  Thank you very much for that.  Here’s another interesting   question from Mary Anne.  You have said we can only be drawn to you if it is Your Will.  If it’s Baba’s Will, if it’s Amma’s Will.  Why don’t you wish everybody to be drawn to you?
 
Amma: It will take time for the buds to mature.  The flower buds, they need some maturity to blossom.
 
Ted:  So we are on a different time scale all of us.
 
Amma: That’s it.
 
Ted:   And depending on how many lives we’ve had and how much work   we’ve done and how far we’ve come on this path.  Does that depend on whether or not an Avatar shows up in our life?
 
Amma: Countless lifetimes.  Countless lifetimes.
 
Ted:  So it’s not that we’re special , or anybody is special, but we put the time in?
 
Amma: Yes.
 
Ted:  And we’re all on that timeline in our maya life…[ Amma shakes her head yes] where at one point or another for each of us, an Avatar will show up?
 
Amma: Yes. When time comes, we call you, then unknowingly you are dragged towards us. [smiles]
 
[laughter in the room]
 
Ted:  Yes, unknowingly we were dragged to you.  And it has been such a delight to realize that after our arrival.  We are told that the Golden Age is coming.  Will we see it in our lifetime and when? 
 
Amma:  Golden Age means if people are speaking truth. Living in bliss. Living a contented life. Their life is a Golden Life.  If more  people are oriented like that they are living in the Golden Age.  If   people are living “in the Golden Age“, and their minds are not oriented toward  spirituality; they are not in the Golden age.  The Golden Age means ‘he who have the higher heights of the spiritual consciousness‘.  Then in the Kali Yuga also you are in the Golden Age.   
 
Ted: So does this mean a thousands  years ago  the Golden Age was here for those people who knew they were on a profound spiritual path?

Amma: Lot of people in our Kali Yuga, they are living in the Golden Age already.  They are not attached with the  paltry things.  They are not seeking for any of the materialistic desires.  Their heart is all the time fixated on God’s Heart.  Fixated on  God’s lotus feet.  On Baba’s feet.  They just love and they are so  fascinated toward the Truth only.  Not anything else in the world.  So that’s why they are in the Golden Age.  Thousands of people are like that. 
 
Ted: (and) A difficult question for me to understand, and I really   don’t understand it ; why some parts of the world love to pursue God and some parts of the world seem to be indifferent.  Right now, it changes from decade to decade,  or century to century , but right now it’s my   impression that those people living in Europe don’t seem to have any curiosity or any interest in pursuing their spiritual path,  religion or God. (and) Do  you have any understanding…I mean could you help us to understand better why that is?  Because otherwise they have so much   education and relatively speaking so much success.  (but) That’s an area I’m interested in.
 
Amma: If any European people are seeing this program,  listening me, I really [think] they are so interested to see what Amma is going to say about this.  There are four yogas in the world.  One is   the Bhakti yoga, the devotional path.  Second one is the karma yoga.  Some parts of the world, people are so very intense, they are in the karma yoga.  They are dedicated totally their time to do the perfect work.  And perfectly in time.  So that’s why.  How can we say  they have no devotion?  They are doing perfectly the karma yoga.  So they are also on the spiritual path itself.  Unknowingly they are on the spiritual path itself. If everybody was closing their eyes and sitting in  meditation just all the time and doing devotional things, who is going to take care of the world?  So that’s why this is also God’s will.  Some people are, it seems to be, in the materialistic level, but I’m sure they are doing perfect karma yoga.  I really appreciate them, I love them so much!
 
Ted: So we are not to judge?
 
Amma: No
 
Ted: We can not tell when one person is doing their path to God?   Different from somebody else’s, whether it is better, or not as good?
 
 Amma: Yes.
 
Ted: (and)You explained it perfectly for me to understand.  That we should never judge any other peoples in the world.
 
Amma: Yes….yes.
 
Ted: Mary Anne again with a good question:  You say “We don’t  have a clue what you are, what Sai Baba is.”  Can you give us a little clue?
 
Amma: [laughs, laughter in the room:  If it is a puzzle I can give some clue for you. Unknowing  puzzle billions of lifetimes puzzle.
 
Ted:  “Unknowing person billions of lifetimes person?….[Amma shakes  her head ] Unknowing puzzle !….
 
Amma: Yes. So that is why if you go inside, inside, inside with your   insight,  then once you touch that infinite within yourself,  then you are able to find Me, Baba.  We are all pervading  everything, what not.  Time, beyond space, beyond anything.  It’s a Benediction. Absolute, Infinite.  And All Witnessing.  All Knowing.  All seeing, [smiles]  So, that’s it!
 
Ted:   So we can taste just a little bit of it if we follow that path.  If we follow your directions.
 
Amma: You are alreadyin  the experience of Bliss. Yes?
 
Ted:  But I want more Bliss.
 
Amma: [laughs] Definitely you will get, Ted Son.
 
Ted:  And I’m not sure I would even call what I feel Bliss, but I’m very grateful that you call it Bliss.  Because that helps me to understand how in each of us, we already may be there when we pursue that spiritual path that rewards us on so many levels.  
The meditation after Mary Anne’s yoga two days ago, much like the meditation after the talk you   gave yesterday was so nice.  Most of us don’t have that much time in the day to do it. I think it was over an hour yesterday afternoon..  How do we balance our spiritual practice and our spiritual work with our survival and day to day duty?
 
Amma: Everybody need not do meditation.  People have different paths.  The self inquiry like Ramana Maharshi,  knowledge path.  Some people can do the selfless service karma yoga and some people path is the devotional path, singing the glory of Baba and Bhajans.  You  are just in the Divine Trance.  Trance of absolute happiness.   So all these activities are going to get people towards highest level of purity. Blemishless purity. 
 
Ted:   That’s reassuring to know.  That’s good because meditation isn’t always easy for all people.  And they get very discouraged, and it’s easy…
 
Amma: No , no no no, No Need to have them discouraged.  Some people have different paths. But everybody’s destination is only the : Oneness.  
 
 Ted:   Yes.
 
Amma: Yes.
 
Ted:   Which is still a new term here in the west, because “Oneness” , we think of ourselves as the collective human family of God, but there is only One.
 
Amma: Yes
 
Ted:  And that is what we focus on.  Another Mary here, Mary Sobczak, Wants to know why, if all disease in the world is karmic related?  
 
Amma: Diseases right now? [ Ted: um hmm] Yes, this is purification. 
 
Ted:  Purification?  Do we have to be purified that way.   [29:00]
 
Amma: [tilts head, nods and smiles] Yeah.  [ Ted laughs, Amma become serious and recites ] Purva Janma Karma Krutham, Vyadhi Rupena Badhita (Sanskrit – Previous life’s actions (karma) bear results in the form of diseases in this life)  [Amma stops,  then explains] Life times karma will be in the form of some health  problems.  It is purification.  They need not come back with the same bodies.
 
Ted:  Hmmm,  so that’s a very affirming way to look at the disease we all have come to us.   And she wants to know how long  will a human body last without disease?  In other words if there is no more need for purification I guess you would say there is not more reason for  the body to live? 
 
Amma: Body will, ….Ah, with the blessing of Baba; Baba and Amma will heal you of all that problems.  They  will take care of you.
 
Ted:  And what about natural disasters? Tornados, tsunamis ,  hurricanes?  Are those karmic related as well? 
 
Amma: Definitely.
 
Ted:  Is it because of the human karma that’s causing them, or is there another type of karma for the ….
 
Amma: Human karma.
 
Ted:  Yeah? 
 
Amma:  Yes, human karma. 
 
Ted:  And what can we do…this is a very interesting question, from Mary, What can we do that will most please Amma?
 
Amma: [She laughs and giggles and smiles] No expectations from this world.  I just want to give my love to all of you.  No expectations, no expectations from this world.  Just I want to give to you.  Love!
 
Ted:  So maybe you are teaching us right now that that could be a good model for all of us to follow?  [Amma smiles gently]  Bob Son has a couple of questions.  Is there an individual left after oneness is achieved?  In other words: is Bob still Bob after he’s enlightened?
 
Amma: Once he is enlightened, he is not Bob.  He is absolute.  Oneness. He is melted into the Absolute Consciousness level,  there is not identification of Bob or anything there.  So there is   no identification there. The circle becomes Boundless. 
 
Ted:  One of his favorite sayings I believe is attributed to the Buddha.  “Joyfully participate in the miseries of the world”.  (and) I think as I try to understand what that means, it suggests that we are living in illusion.  That we are living in maya.  And that our goal is to awaken.  (and ) His question is: “Why can’t we just wake up?”
 
Amma: This also we discussed before. 
 
Ted:  Because of the school that we’re in? [Amma smiles and nods yes]  We have to go to school first, right? We can’t get a free pass and get out of school quicker?
 
Amma: no [chuckles]
 
Ted: Why are we in this duality if it’s a truly a billion times better where you are?  You talk about it frequently, it’s a billion times happy and blissful where you are.
 
Amma: Yeah.  The duality is because of maya, so when people   overcome the maya,  then there is no duality at all.  They are one with the Divine.  One with Amma, one with Baba. And there is no barriers at all.  Maya creates these barriers. " I-ness, me-ness,  my-ness",  body.  All these boundaries. Once you cross the boundary of maya, then you are Absolute.  You are seeing Yourself everywhere in  all the living things.  You feel your presence in the tree.  In the pebble, in the stone, in the rocks, mountains ..everywhere.  In the   planets, in all the creation.   Good, bad, everything.  Your Self only. You are not seeing the shell, you are seeing the pearl in the   shell of the Atman.
 
Ted:  “You are seeing the pearl in the shell, not the shell itself”   When you took form in the past Amma, You, were you always here as an Avatar?   
 
Amma: Innumerable times.
 
Ted:  Innumerable times.  See, what I hear, that people tell me,   is that Avatars come in time of need.  Being a student of history, I can   not recall a  time when there wasn’t need on this planet.  So does that mean that Avatars have always been with us?  Or do they come when just there is special need? 
 
Amma: This world is my home son.  I have to come to my home.  Frequently.  To take care of my children. [Amma is beaming  love]
 
Ted:    [pause] That’s really nice.
 
Amma: So suppose you have an estate, You are going all the time to see the estate conditions.  No? It is like that.
 
Ted:     Jody has an interesting question about this.    Please comment if you will Amma, most Christians or  raised Christian   could never  imagine that God could incarnate more than once in different bodies.  But you are saying that’s always happened because this is your home.
 
Amma: Your time is a different time. You think a thousand   years, five thousand years, ten thousand years….Our time is a different  time.  So We are beyond time.
 
Ted:    So that doesn’t matter at all to you?
 
Amma: Yes.    [correct]    
 
Ted:   (and) A couple of final questions if it’s okay. Again one from   Jody about her Christian heritage were she comes from.  Having to do with   the mother of Jesus, Mary.  Is Mary, was Mary an Avatar?  (and ) It would seem that the Catholic Church acknowledged this when the former Pope,    Pope John Paul the second, proclaimed Mary, as he called her; “the co -redeemtrix“. I guess  that means a redeemer as was the nature of Jesus her son.  Was She an  Avatar? 
 
Amma:   Yes, she is Divine Mother.        ….. Myself.
 
Ted: You’re the Divine Mother!
 
Ted:  …Are you Mary?
 
Amma: Yes.
 
Ted:  I think that’s the question a lot of people wanted to ask.  But that’s too direct to ask.  Until I asked it, I’m surprised that was able to ask it
 
Amma: [Amma has turned her head to Jody who has been listening at her feet off camera]  Jody…
 
Jody: Oh Amma! [ Amma has her hand]
 
Ted:  .  ………………For a lot of people.
 
Amma: That was your question….I did give clarification to your question.   [Amma hold’s Jody’s hand as she beams love to her. Jody, overwhelmed “Oh Amma” Then Amma brings Jody to her for  warm embraces. Jody is overcome., answering; “yes, you did, thank you”.]
 
Ted:  So let’s conclude…….. Will you give us your benediction?  The final question, will you give us your benediction?  Your blessing? 
 
Amma:  Embodiment of divine souls, my most beloved sweet children; I love you so much from the bottom of my heart.  If you believe me or not,   I love you so much. I come to you all the time, I love you so much.  Because all of you are my children.  It’s my responsibility to come to you. To take care of you.  To heal you, to uplift you towards higher levels of purity, dharma, happiness and absolute peace.  So that’s why, I just, I do my duty without any expectations from all of you.  I love you so much. 
 
Ted:  My thanks to our friends, especially  to Mary Anne Burrows for her questions. Bob Son [Bob Burrows], Mary Sobczak, and for Jody‘s [Cleary]   questions. ….and our greatest thanks Amma for you for giving us your wisdom and your love and your insight.
 
Amma: Very innocent questions.  [ giggles]
 
Ted:      Thank you. Jai Karunamayi.
 
Amma: I love you Ted Son.
 
Ted:   We love you.   [38:43]
 
ADDED COMMENTS
 
Amma: I know son you innocently asking the Almighty all these questions; Maha Maya!
 
Bob:  I don’t know, I don’t know anything.  No, just glad to be here. Good to know that you are taking care of everything.  I just have to get out of the way.
 
Amma:  If Bob son wishes for something to happen, it is never going to happen.  If Amma is wishing it is going to happen. [ Bob ___________]  No Bob.
 
Bob: Well, Wish good things for Bob.
 
Ted:  No, you’re in school, remember?
 
Bob: Well good thing is I get my “A”! [He looks at Amma] I don’t want to have to do it again! I want to get it right.
 
Amma:   Definitely, Amma will help you.  Maa will help you.
 
Bob:  Thank  you. Thank you. _____________ [takes Amma’s hand]
 
Mary Ann:  I think I’m getting a better idea of it.  It’s just the limited thinking we have because we are not connecting with the Oneness within!
 
Amma:  Mary is understanding Maya.  [laughter in room]
 
Jody:  Maha Maya
 
Amma:  Maha Maya
 
Jody:  Maha Maya Herself!
 
Amma:  In a half an hour of the interview she understand Maha Maya, hmm…which is maya Mary…[giggles much laughter in the room]
 
Mary Ann:  A quick study, right?
 
Bob:  The interview is maya.
 
Amma: The interview is maya, Ted’s questions are maya, [ Mary Ann “yes , yes”] your questions are maya.
 
Ted:  And Baba tells us that even his form is maya, so your form is maya!
 
Amma: Yes
 
Mary Ann: All our forms are maya!
 
[Cut to next scene ]
 
Jody: Amma this is my friend from many, many years….Mary
 
Amma: I know her..
 
Mary: …She knows…I love Amma. Mary! I love my Mother [put head down and Amma strokes her]
 
Amma:  No need to introduce anybody to Amma.
 
[Next scene]
Amma:  Love the Love…..Ted Son, …love the Love!
 
Ted:  “Love the Love!”
 
[Next scene]
 
Amma:  Whenever the need, God havel come.  You must not wait for two thousand years, five thousand years. Cause suppose you are hungry, I can’t wait until the evening, six o’clock.  You need food!  I have to give you food right now!  So it is my home.  When ever I need, I come.
 
Mary: Yes, that makes so much sense, it does.
 
Amma:  God is not restricted to time. Time is ours.
 
Jody: Nor one body.. 
 
[next scene]
 
Amma:  Ted Son, I told you, no need to go to Puttaparthi,, no need to Arunatcuhla, to go to ________  to go to anywhere. But if you want to go, you have to go.
 
Mary Ann:  Because the ego is not satisfied.  Until the ego get what thinks it wants…..
 
Amma: It is not ego Mary, it is love,
 
Mary:  It’s love.  [nodding]
 
Ted:  If we want to go, it’s okay.
 
Amma: Ya, okay, no problem.  It’s not the ego, it’s the love towards God. You want to see more. Baba is in your heart. You love Baba you are mad with [about] Baba, you are so nice  you would die for Baba’s sake.  But the reason is is that there is love there.  You want to love, that is , the reason you are going there.  
Really, no need of going anywhere, no need of coming to you.  But, you have not the awareness that I am with you, that is the reason I am in this little body. 
 
Mary: This little body, so much power in a little body!
 
Bob: But we want to hang onto you..  We don’t know we are you.
 
Amma: [looks at Bob] You are already in my lap! Universal son in my lap.

Ted: And Amma, You say the entire cosmos in under your feet. (and) Jody and I heard a wonderful program the other day. That the most advanced scientists in the world today are only aware of maybe four percent of the cosmos.  In other words, there is so much in this material world we don’t know.  Is there life beyond the cosmos?
 
Amma:  Beyond the cosmos is only the Absolute.
 
Ted: There is only the absolute. And so that all of life is under you feet.
 
Amma:  That is me.  You don’t know how many lifetimes you have waited to...(touch my feet). 
 
Amma: [Sings in Telugu]
Shantamu nee swarupammu, (Peace is your form)
(repeat)
Prashaantammu nee nilayammu, (Eternal peace is your home)
(Repeat)
Neeku gala shantamu krodhamuga maarinan, (If your peace were to turn into anger)
(repeat)
Bhaanudu somudu daari tappune, (The Sun and the Moon will be lost (in their role and goal))
(repeat)
Chintala saagune jagamau, (All creation will be submerged in miseries)
(Repeat)
triloka paavini, Sai jananeem  (O divine mother, mother of Sai)
Shantamu nee swarupammu,  (Peace is your form)
Prashaantammu nee nilayammu, (Eternal peace is your home)
 

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